Dream Cats NFT: don't buy them

Mario Lurig 2021-09-22 14:02

This reminded me of the Jurassic Park quote, “Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”
Creative Commons implies INTENT of works created, but that's not enough for legal standing and that's the part that is violated here. Unfortunately, it can never do anything other than frustrate you. I hope writing this has helped you get this out of your mind; you must focus on what you CREATE in this world and not what others ABUSE. There is not much else to do, even though it is very frustrating.

unfa 2021-09-22 16:38

I am sorry that this was done to your artwork. Thank you for bringing this up and sharing your story and mind with the world on this.

Now I am worried someone will grab my music albums and release them as NFTs against my will. I wonder if a CC-BY-NC license will prevent that?

Vincent 2021-09-22 17:34

The proverb you mention "Bien mal acquis ne profite jamais" is certainly one of the worst proverbs ever. It's wrong, absolutely wrong. Sadly. As a french, like me, you know I'm right. I wish you success in your future work and projects.

Le monde appartient à ceux qui se lèvent tôt. Non, j'déconne, il appartient à ceux qui ont du fric.

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-22 18:17

Hehe, I admit this proverb require to get a certain level of humanity to feel a base of guilt about it. It has its limits and I met humans who could rationalize everything, even justify money from the worst source. So, true, you are right. Same for the one about the morning xD But it felt good to write it.

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-22 18:19

Hes, the previous case I had was on a artwork in CC-By-Nc-Nd and OpenSea removed it immediately. The Non Commercial part of creative commons can start a legal case more easily. It's far more efficient than just a moral issue.

CD 2021-09-22 20:50

Sorry to hear this. The whole idea of monetizing every pixel on the internet sickens me and I hope this whole thing blows up in their face. Keep up the good work regardless of these wankers.

Sven 2021-09-22 21:33

Get a witch doctor to put a curse on that particular NFT collection. Crypto is dependent on luck, and if people see this curse, then they will feel the collection unlucky, and avoid it.

Dan 2021-09-22 22:51

I'm sorry that this has happened to you David.

There exists a contact form on their website. I have sent them a polite message linking to this page, and I'd encourage others to similarly, politely voice what they think. Politely. Money speaks much louder than moral qualms, but hey, I'm not totally lost to cynicism yet - David's doing his thing!

https://roplak.com/contact/

EF 2021-09-23 01:17

The lack of morality-related restrictions in Free Software/Art licenses is intentional. You may or may not agree with the explanation given here:

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freedom-to-run.html

If a court would uphold that moral rights can supersede the license itself, it would spell the utter destruction of both the Free Software and the Creative Commons movements - bad actors would have the better lawyers, and would impose their rotten version of "morality" to dispose of any and all competition, including from FS and CC.

But it is perfectly desirable to go for a boycott of anybody creating NFTs out of other people's work. Also, one could try to argue that such NFTs are the same as fake Rolex watches - in which case some trade laws completely unrelated to copyright may come into play.

JustSomeGuy 2021-09-23 04:09

Hey David, I'm a little confused what Moral Rights you have after any required that aren't rights waived for what's necessary to exercise the Licensed Rights for Section 2b in this circumstance?

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-23 06:50

In most country of Europe, and France is part of it, it is not possible for authors to assign or even waive their moral rights. Even with CC-0 and Public Domain. You'll find it −you are right − under the 2b(1) or as a Notice on every CC license, it appears even on the short version: " The license may not give you all of the permissions necessary for your intended use. For example, other rights such as publicity, privacy, or moral rights may limit how you use the material. "

The refering law code in France is Art. L121-1, Code de la propriété intellectuelle , https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000006278891/

Soutien 2021-09-23 07:04

I read your story in full, and completely agree with you. Hence :
- I'll share your story for it to be known to the public ;
- As said by Dan in a previous comment, I'll fill the form, in a polite manner :
https://roplak.com/contact/
- And you gained a follower of your work

Not a bad day after all, hey ?

A bientôt !

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-23 07:12

The lack of morality-related restrictions is a fiction, and you are wrong. You'll find it written on every Notices in the Creative Commons. But I know it is surprising for many countries and philosophical backgrounds. Moral rights, in France, are perpetual, inalienable, and imprescriptible by default. Even CC-0/Public Domain can't overwrite it. And it is for a philosophical reason: an art carreer is not just a set of material, goods, services and jpg/png files. That's why I think it is useless to put them in the same bag as Free Software. My art is my diary, my life, an intellectual construction that should be protected from what I perceive to be (one of the many) dirt of our time. If my art participate at 10 000 NFTs and a percent of the ETH Blockchain; I feel that my moral integrity is violated for associating my name with this deeply unethical unchained extreme capitalism.

Now at least, I know the author of this 10K NFTs doesn't respect my art or me as an artist. I claimed my disgust for NFTs loudly. This way, any client of NFT with my name on it will find quickly my opinion about it and how I think this art are fraudulent to my carreer. That's really what's matters to me on short term.

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-23 07:17

Hey Soutien, thanks

Châu 2021-09-23 07:21

Reverse, you should see if NFT want sponsor you and you can work with NFT. NFT make great discovery: many people like ugly/many color cat picture (I no like it but my opinion). Maybe you and P&C fans can create cat generator like it and earn some money for create more P&C art.

Freedom mean no CENSOR. I create art for project, some project need months, some need YEARS (animation and games). But all is CC0, because I hate evil corrupt copyright system. Other people can use any way they want, earn money, porn movie, propaganda, underwear design, toilet paper, AI research, etc. Freedom mean people can do stuff I no like. But not my action, not my responsibility.

Try think different way, every thing in life is privilege. You CAN work do art work, is big privilege. Many other people no have this privilege. Use several hour create cute cat picture is nicer than several hour clean trash, wash public toilet, wash plate/bowl in café, clean restaurant table, clean city sewer system in 30°-35°C high humidity weather, work in dangerous mine (very important jobs, more important than art, keep society clean and healthy, but no fun). Some people do this work for 10s years until retire or die. One company give you draw monitor tablet for few day work for review. If I try save money for that tablet, probably need work 1-2 years.

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-23 07:23

By pure statistic, any money like that will know big crashes; like a pile of sand growing and growing... then collapsing. That's how capitalism ever worked. So, I don't need to put a curse on them; they already have the worst one, imo xD

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-23 07:38

Hey, thanks. No worry of cynicism. If you have an idea how emotional poeple like me are geared inside (to be enough dumb at making a life in art) you need to imagine I'm pretty fully emotionally loaded and nervous to get the energy to make something like that and get the inner resources to even start. And it cost me a lot.... I need to recover after that.
My art is mostly about wanting to bring humor, joy and color to the world; sometime a bit of dark mystery too; but I'm not a provocator (I think). Sadly, I know the fashion of the moment in politic are big 100% big cynic characters. Not a surprise to read a part of my audience suspecting that.
Know and be sure that I'm disgusted at even publishing a thumbnail like that on my social media and blog; it's ugly. But enough is enough with NFT. Sadly I also have anger like that growing against many other topic (eg. Tapas/Webtoons platform), so I know sooner or later, I'll have to make other blog post like that when I'll be fully loaded and feel the "enough is enough". 10 000 NFT with my name on them? Yeaaah... yesterday morning my eyes were like volcanos. Believe me; I do it by necessity to calm down, a bit like one need to go to quickly to the toilets... I would prefer to get followers/share/likes with my episodes and art by FAR.

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-23 07:47

> Freedom mean no CENSOR

Hey Châu, I disagree on this point. Would you allow your art to be printed on flags of a racist army who do a genocide? The army is on all TV channel, and each time they appear, they tell your name to be compliant CC-By? This example is a big caricature (sorry for that) but it reveals an extreme where everyone needs moral right, even Free/Libre art.
Here in France, Moral rights can't be waived by any license. Even CC-0 Public domain. I'm not sure how is the law in your country is about it ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights ) but if your art is used against your ideology or with an intent that is against your reputation and person; you should be protected by a law for that.

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-23 07:49

Yes, I'll focus on the creation part for sure. But I'll always claim the "NOT IN MY NAME" part as loud as I can when I'll feel it crossed the boundaries. Thanks for the nice words.

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-23 07:52

xD Thanks!

EF 2021-09-23 11:35

Copyright laws are the same for software and art. It is easier and quicker to get evil with software, which is why the FS movement preceded CC. Heaven forbid that moral copyright is upheld for software - it will be the end of everything that is still good in our computing (which nowadays means our everything)!

Things can be done against the NFT fraudsters, see my last paragraph above. If there is enough consensus that an NFT is worth nothing, it will be worth nothing.

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-23 13:03

> Copyright laws are the same for software and art.

If it was the case; Creative Commons licenses would be recommended for code and the GPL for art?
Afaik, it's not the case.

Black_Fox 2021-09-23 14:53

I'm sorry that this stuff happens. I consider it unfair to the original author - you certainly didn't get to see €10k and yet you are the one who put all the work in. I was woundering these two things:

1) The wiki page on moral rights you linked in another comment says that "Independent of the author's economic rights, and even after the transfer of the said rights, the author shall have the right to claim authorship of the work and to object to any distortion, modification of, or other derogatory action in relation to the said work, which would be prejudicial to the author's honor or reputation." and I'm afraid you are already exercising the full extent of such a right - objecting to an action in relation to your work that's against your beliefs. Not sure there's more you could legally do based solely on the moral right (as long as CC BY licence was used).

2) I'm sure there's a reason you use CC BY and not CC BY-NC which would have easily prevented this situation. What is the reason?

Either way, I hope something good will come out of this eventually, fingers crossed!

EF 2021-09-23 22:58

The reason for different licenses is that humanity interacts differently with software and with art. It is a historical peculiarity that the art-related copyright laws are applied almost identically to software.

JustSomeGuy 2021-09-23 23:08

Hey David, wanted to ask you to clarify if this you consider the moral rights regarding NFTs to only include art, or if the code for programmatically generating an image (for catvatars) based on a seed is included in that too?

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-24 08:06

Hi, no idea; the code belong to Andreas Gohr in my version, from https://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2007-01/20_monsterid_as_gravatar_fallback (it is in the credits of Catavatar here: https://www.peppercarrot.com/extras/html/2016_cat-generator/index.php ). Because Andreas is not mentioned on the NFTs; I guess it means the code was rewritten from scratch.

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-24 08:15

Hey, thanks. Yes, totally right about (1). About the reason of not using the CC By-Nc; it is almost impossible to share art with CC-By-Nc nowaday. Youtube video are monetised; many blog have advertissements, many support (article/tutorial) can be published on commercial magazine, etc... All this scenario are commercial ones. When I met Creative Commons France, I exposed my wish: a CC-By "Fair Trade"; allowing commercial usage but ensuring for example a percentage of the benefits to the author at root. Anyway, a CC-By "Fair trade" in the example of this NFT catalog would have been not a help for me. Moral Right/Integrity issue would still be here.

InfoLibre 2021-09-24 10:19

Moi je serais fier de voir des œuvres dérivées de mon travail. C'est un aboutissement et ça va faire de la publicité.
Avoir choisi des licences libres, c'est accepter et encourager les œuvres dérivées.

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-24 16:39

Désolé, je garderai une éthique même si ça va à contre sens de mon avantage personnel. Je ne vois aucun aboutissement là dedans. Cette publicité via les NFT, je n'en veux pas. D'ailleur, j'ai rarement entendu l'histoire d'un⋅e passioné⋅e d'Art qui après avoir spéculé sur une plateforme de NFT, c'est mis à aider et contribuer à la vie d'un⋅e artiste. Et que ça a fait la différence. Une audience qui cherche à speculer a rarement plus de sensibilité pour l'art et autrui qu'un bloc de béton. 240 ventes se sont fait sur les DreamCats; aucun⋅es de ces personnes ne c'est manifesté parmis ceux qui suivent mon travail...

Artur 2021-09-25 13:50

Let's not be so politically correct - let's call a spade a spade. Stealing is stealing. Full drop.

EF 2021-09-26 03:54

As far as I know, the copyright on a piece of software does not automatically cover the output of the software. If the output itself contains a copied piece of something copyrighted (such as your cat elements) then that copyright applies. Also, for non-free software covered by a EULA things can get murky.

Nico Goeminne 2021-09-26 09:08

Hey David,

Sorry to here that story. For our art work we're using CC-BY-SA4. Is in that case a NFT not a derived work (as it digitally fingerprints the original art). And therefore, the NFT should be Share Alike as well?

Kind regards,
Nico

David Revoy Author, 2021-09-26 09:16

Hi Nico,
Unfortunately, CC-By-Sa won't prevent a legal action against a NFT-isation of an art. The condition would be: if the catalog propose a link to download the art (eg. right click, save image, as it is for the DreamCats on OpenSea so no problem) and the NFT author mention the CC-By-Sa license with the attribution (trivial to do in the description). As you can still access the medias to save the file and modify, and the license is correctly mentioned, it sounds compliant with CC-By-Sa. The distribution method (aka uniqueness of the NFT as a block in the blockchain) is imo not a part of the scope of the CC license; as any distribution (eg. distribution on a specific server −eg. wikimedia commons− can't be replicated at the same URL 1:1 in any cases). So it would be dishonnest to pretend the CC-By-Sa should grant the same URL/Blockchain-Hash/hosting-place.
The license that work against NFT is the CC-By-Nc ; the previous case I mention in the introduction was with one of my CC-By-Nc-Nd art, and the same catalog , OpenSea removed in less than 48h the art from the page. (the NFT ID remains, attached to just an empty description).
I hope it helps!

EuphoricPenguin 2021-09-29 20:12

What are your thoughts on this?
"If you apply a 4.0 license to your material, you agree to waive or not assert any moral rights you have, to the limited extent necessary to allow the public to exercise the licensed rights. This is designed to minimize the effect of moral rights on licensees' ability to use the work, and ensure that the license works internationally as intended."
https://creativecommons.org/faq/#how-do-creative-commons-licenses-affect-my-moral-rights-if-at-all

I'm a bit confused as to how they're implementing moral rights in the CC-BY 4.0 International legal code. My DEFINITELY NOT LEGAL ADVICE™ understanding is that moral rights are protected to a certain degree, but they would only apply in France. Since I reside in the U.S., for example, my use of your work would fall under U.S. copyright law. Since the United States has weaker protection for moral rights, I *think* that could turn the tides to a certain extent. I think I'll need to stock up on Acetaminophen if I attempt this again. It sucks creatives need a legal degree to release their work these days.

EuphoricPenguin 2021-09-29 20:17

Once again, my NOT LEGAL ADVICE™ understanding is that the output would have to effectively change the content of the image. Since DeepDream is a form of style transfer, the underlying image remains mostly intact. The only true case where this would change is if the images of the cats were used as a "style" for the style transfer. I can make myself look like a painting in the style of Van Gogh. If Van Gogh still had copyright over Starry Night, it's fairly unlikely he could claim copyright over my image (since it's a copy of his "style", not content). This is pure intuition, not actual legal advice. I am not a lawyer. I am the last person you'd want to trust for legal advice.

InfoLibre 2021-10-02 12:28

Je ne comprends pas cette réaction. Diffuser ses œuvres sous licence libre, c'est volontairement les partager et encourager les œuvres dérivées. Sinon, il fallait choisir une autre licence mieux adaptée, non libre.

David Revoy Author, 2021-10-03 20:26

Diffuser ses œuvres sous licence libre, c'est aussi garder un droit morale. C'est ça qui vous a échappé sans doute. Aussi, je suis loin d'approuver toutes les dérivations et partages; et quand c'est le cas, c'est aussi bon de le rapeller.

David Revoy Author, 2021-10-03 20:34

"you agree to waive or not assert any moral rights you have" is simply impossible in many countries. (ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights ). The French one is perpetual, inalienable, and imprescriptible... CC-BY 4.0 International legal code doesn't implement any moral right. So, the moral right of the authors (depending of their countries) are still attached to their work afaik.

Juju 2021-10-04 00:49

Bonjour M. Revoy,

Je suis très contente d'être tombée sur votre article, merci! Je connaissais vaguement les NFT, car je commençais à voir apparaître des annonces d'emplois qui leur étaient reliées. Cependant, je ne me doutais pas du tout de leurs implications (capitalistes, environnementales, etc.).

Je suis aspirante-apprentie artiste, et vous me donnez envie de publier sous license libre. Vous êtes le deuxième artiste blogueur que je croise à parler de cette avenue avec Gwenn Seemel. Et puis vos motivations, « My art is mostly about wanting to bring humor, joy and color to the world [...] », sont aussi belles que vos peintures.

Bonne continuation à vous :D

David Revoy Author, 2021-10-04 14:43

Merci enormément Juju pour ce retour sympa!
Bon courage également et bon début de semaine ;)

NC 2021-10-05 20:33

Hi David, sorry to hear that but I don't really agree on your belief that your Moral Right ("droit moral" in French) would give you any right on a derivative work that you have explicitly allowed. The French "droit moral" is mostly applied on paternity (respected here) and the original work integrity (that isn't really possible in the digital world, it's mostly used to prevent someone to buy your physical work to destroy it on purpose).

David Revoy Author, 2021-10-05 20:37

It's not a belief; it's on the law: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/section_lc/LEGITEXT000006069414/LEGISCTA000006161636/#LEGISCTA000006161636 , I have many right that goes beyond the paternity; if the derivation affect my reputation I can ask it down (sort of the case here, I don't want my art to be associated with that). I can also keep pushing modification (droit de repentir), etc...

NC 2021-10-05 20:44

A derivative work isn't exactly your work anymore, the author is the one that created the derivative, and since you allowed this kind of usage, you're not really in a grey area anymore (that usually occur on derivative work).

David Revoy Author, 2021-10-05 20:48

Please read more about derivation. Thanks for making me smile.

NC 2021-10-05 20:56

Actually I got academic courses on this particular subject...
Smiling is good, nothing bad doing it.

David Revoy Author, 2021-10-05 21:02

🙂

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David Revoy Author, 2021-10-18 12:32

Hi Olivia, please elaborate a bit why you link this here. Right now, it sounds like an adv for a service.

Yudran 2021-12-24 00:37

Hello David,

I am a French artist and fellow krita user, but I'd rather post in English in case others wish to read this message.
I am sorry to hear this happened to you, but I am glad you were able to get them removed.
Unfortunately for me, one of my artworks was also stolen and is being featured on OpenSea as an NFT!
I contacted OpenSea a few days ago, and I am required to fill a form with personal information (name, email, etc...) to properly request a take down, but here is the catch: OpenSea might share all of that information with the "seller" (so the thief).
Sorry to bother you about this, as it was quite an "old" issue for you, but did you have to complete such a form yourself when you contacted OpenSea? All of this is quite infuriating, and quite a shame: I honestly feel like letting go of it and trying to forget about all of this, simply to preserve my sanity.

Thanks in advance for your answer, et merci beaucoup pour votre BD et travail ! :)

David Revoy Author, 2021-12-24 10:22

Hi Yudran,
First, I'm really sorry you are experiencing this for your art. Yes, about OpenSea, I filled the form; and I'm almost sure readers of my social medias also filled additional forms to help me to defends. But I have no idea if the amount of forms filled has any helping factor here. If you have a Twitter account, making two screenshot: your art where it is usually, and then the screenshot on OpenSea, and quote an account like https://twitter.com/NFTtheft with the @NFTtheft keyword and OpenSea account. I'm almost certain they prioritize request that are visible and do bad public relation on their name (over form filled on their own website, that are probably not well managed).
Good luck, et merci beaucoup pour les mots sympa ;-)

Yudran 2021-12-24 10:45

Thanks a lot for your reply David, I will try twitter as well! :)

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David Revoy Author, 2021-12-27 08:15

I removed your links and replaced them by "..." cause: adv/links to various NFTs marketplaces is not welcome here. I would be surprised if you read the article, but I'll just suspect a bot or a worker underpaid for copy pasting NFT links under any result of a search engine related with this keywords...

David Revoy Author, 2021-12-27 08:15

Hey, I saw the method did work. Good job ;-)

ak may 2022-01-03 18:19

Hey, I just came across this article and I'm sad and angry with you (for the sod-all good that'll do). Legal these sad deformations might be, but you expend genuine effort trying to put lovely stuff into the world, and some arsetrumpeting bunghats have to come along and disrespect you. UGH!!!

Cyastis 2022-01-08 09:31

It's challenging developing in the open - particularly for artwork. Personally, I always prefer copyleft-style licenses over non-commercial ones because of projects such as the Wikipedia. Even then, CC-BY-SA would do nothing to this situation except have them release their distorted NFTs as CC as well.. Supposedly, in the science and academic industries the same problems are arising.

I'm not sure if you've considered this, but if you don't want NFTs linked to your name, in CC licenses of 4.0 or later, you can legally have your name taken down by request. Even if it's 3.0 or earlier they're likely to honor the request anyway. It's not a perfect solution but it may be the only other solution with CC-BY licenses if you cannot exercise your moral rights in these cases.

I hope despite misuse like this you will still continue to release art to the public like you have so far. While misuse might come and go, your works will be libre to everyone else forever.

David Revoy Author, 2022-01-08 10:04

Thank you @Cyastis, yes, that's exact about the request to take down only the name/attribution on request. Yes, misuse will come and go; it's just with NFTs, I observed a lot of misuse recently − and only for speculative reasons − and I ended last year with a very fragile vision of the Creative Commons and a deep reconsideration about my choices.

I spent a day in this start of January to read more about Creative Commons legal adaptation to more recent tech and social medias ToS. From what I concluded, there is more and more interpretation and gray area inside CC4.0 to bend it to advantage of many interest. I'll probably publish an article about it (not sure, I would prefer to publish more art/comic in 2022, more than spending time into debate about that).

Martin Owens 2022-01-27 19:20

Two useful links. One a great explainer video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ_xWvX1n9g it's long, but well worth your time. The second is a tongue in cheek NFT tracker https://web3isgoinggreat.com/ which shows just how much it's all a scam.

Lite 2022-03-07 03:56

I think they have to credit you in a way that makes it clear that you do not endorse or support the work. I think that requirement is in the CC license, plus it's in basic libel law. You could ask them to link the statement that you oppose this re-use of your art to this webpage...

David Revoy Author, 2022-03-07 10:54

Yes, you are right, but author quickly was unreachable after a couple of message on Twitter; probably started to mute and delete also twits related to the content. On the bright side, Open Sea platform changed the search engine; you can now type 'revoy' in the search field and it doesn't trigger over 20 000 results as before. But I guess they just removed generative art from the results because it was too noisy to get hundred time the same artwork with slight color variations. I can still access the DreamCat page. (and even two pages of my webcomic Pepper&Carrot on it ... )

Lite 2022-03-08 03:09

In that case I think it's Open Sea's problem; most platforms are touchy and take things down at the drop of a hat. If they host content widely known to be infringing, after you've warned them, I can't see that as a good position.

NFT markets basically sell hype. Being associated with dodgy stuff would hurt them. They brag about their press coverage (https://opensea.io/about); would you be willing to do an interview if a journalist called you about this? It would be an interesting angle on the NFT story, and might even cool the market. Which I think is a symptom of wealth concentration; rich people with too much cash trying too hard to find "investments", while the world's poor, who have lots of useful things to invest in, have no money.

David Revoy Author, 2022-03-08 09:29

Hey, sure I would (about Interview/Journalism), in fact, It already happened on many blog-post and one podcast already. But I don't think my case is good advocacy.

I received many comments who don't understand my position: "So you propose free artworks, even commercially, but you complain of their usage as NFTs?"; I think if journalists focus more on other (simplier) copyright classic examples of art thieft (and it looks like you can find legion of them) it might be an easier angle against NFTs reusage. In opposition, my humble moral issue, I guess, doesn't ring any bell for a big part of the readers who probably still think if something does money, and before it didn't, then the NFTs creator is a sort of little genius who deserve to earn.

Lite 2022-03-09 04:43

Arguing against NTFs on the grounds that some are stolen is a very conventional argument, with a very conventional answer. Arguing that NTFs are intrinsically objectionable, that they violate specific social, artistic and moral principles, that they are a betrayal of human ideals, that you are philosophically opposed... I find that much more interesting!

You think about building communally-owned social value; the NTF market is conspicuously devoid of intrinsic social value (unlike, say, a market in potatoes, which helps get potatoes from farmers into stomachs). The best you can say is that NTFs could leverage snobbery to pay artists money for their work, and in this case, you can't even say that. The only motive is classic market-bubble greed.

David Revoy Author, 2022-03-09 07:17

Oh, I better see now how the CC-By/Moral situation argument can be interesting. Thanks for explaining it @Lite, I think I totally missed that point.

Lewatoto 2022-05-23 06:02

I don't know if you already know but the "Nice Kittens" link still shows 36 images, I don't understand anything about the subject, so I don't know if they can eliminate them, I still reported it.

David Revoy Author, 2022-05-23 09:32

Thank you for checking and reporting! I check from time to time; it comes and goes. I think I'm right now just waiting for NFTs to just colapse by itself instead actively reporting it.

Dream Cats NFT: don't buy them

NFT...(what?)

C'mon, why the hate?

Personal statement about NFT:

The Dream Cats NFT case

The Dream Cats and copyright law

Moral right infringement! Yay! Law! Court!

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